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Daiwa on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

Daiwa — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

msconfig.exe's UI was restored for me by changing the shell icon setting in IP3 & limiting repair of shell icons to specific processes/apps (props & thanks to JeffBDVS).

However, I continue to have the same problem with IE6 on one of my rigs even after making those changes in IP3 - every other launch or so, the iexplore.exe process will appear in TM but no UI appears. After a day's worth of use by my wife &/or son (it's her home rig), there may be 6 or 8 instances of iexplore.exe running in TM & no UI up. On shutdown or restart, have to kill all those instances of iexplore.exe one at a time (each 'not responding').

I may try restoring the Windows default icons & uninstalling IP to see if this behavior is related simply to the app's presence. This is a very frustrating issue.

JeffBDVS on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

JeffBDVS — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

EDIT: Sorry, the info is in reply #46 in the linked thread.

-Jeff

JeffBDVS on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

JeffBDVS — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Here is a link to what is going on with this issue. I hope you find the info useful.

-Jeff

WWW Link

zakai1369 on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

zakai1369 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Never read this thread myself until now.

Kind of surprised though that the devs never caught this and posted their responses from HERE to this thread also.

starkers on Upgrading existing hardware

starkers — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

I can do all that with my Celeron 420 and 2 Gigs of RAM. It would get a bit slow I'll bet but It could be done.

I suppose it would be a bit slow, but the main thing is that you're happy with what you got/can do with it....as I am with mine.

I suppose, too, another reason I went for the higher power is that my missus sometimes borrows my rig and runs a few graphics intensive programs (which need quite a bit of grunt) doing walls and stuff... whilst listening to music and chatting with friends... so she'll have PSP; Photoshop; PaintNet; Apophysis; Fractal Forge and Fastone Image Resizer open along with a couple of messenger windows and a media player.... not to mention Firefox with a few skinning sites open on the tab bar.

Fortunately, she has her own, more than adequate machine, so it's very rare that she needs/wants to use mine.... usually when maintenance and/or issues are being sorted on hers.

kona0197 on Upgrading existing hardware

kona0197 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Well, let's see, I can be writing a letter in MS Word, be editing music or video, browsing WC & other sites, downloading files, moving/copying files and messing around with Stardock toys all at once.... it's called multi-tasking, and I could never have that many things open and fully functional on my old P4 2.8 with 512mb of RAM. Ah!!!... the luxury of having power to burn.

I can do all that with my Celeron 420 and 2 Gigs of RAM. It would get a bit slow I'll bet but It could be done.

starkers on Upgrading existing hardware

starkers — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Are you running x64 version of the OS? If not, then you are not seeing all 4GB of ram.

I'm running x86 and see 3.75gb of 4.0gb after editing in BCDEdit, but I'm told that I don't see the full amount due to having a lot of hardware and drivers installed.

For those interested in accessing 4.0gb of RAM in Windows 32bit systems, here's a link to an article containing the details as to how.... WWW Link

starkers on Upgrading existing hardware

starkers — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Starkers: I added up how much your upgrades would cost from Ebay. $467 dollars. Not much of a savings I guess.

Yeah, I suppose you could find those items cheaper on E-bay... where hundreds of big-time sellers are cutting each others throats through under cutting, but I purchased my components through a small, 3-man operation with excellent support & after-sales service. Furthermore, their prices are considerably more reasonable than many large retailer.... as much as $40 - $50 less in some cases

Also, I had them install the components for me... they do a more professional job than I... and the labour was free because I Spent over $500.00 and my family and friends are long term loyal customers, thus saving me another $100 or so on what it would have cost elsewhere.

Not only that, I was in the right place at the right time...the bloke who came in for a 939 socket AMD Athlon CPU, only to find they are no longer available, had them test mine and promptly offered 200 hundred smackeroos for mine when it came up AOK. Now that's a scenario you'd never come across on E-bay... on-the-spot testing and a buyer.

I still fail to see why you need that much power.

Phoon on Upgrading existing hardware

Phoon — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Actually, any 32bit version of Vista can handle 4gb, it can only handle more than that when using 64bit

Yes, it can handle it, but 32 bit will only see 3 - 3.5 GB, therefore it will not use all 4 GB.

Bebi Bulma on Upgrading existing hardware

Bebi Bulma — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

I still fail to see why you need that much power.

To put it simply and bluntly....because we can.

Oh and by the way the only reason I have a 3.2 score is because of my video. My score would be a high 4 or low 5 should I invest in a good card.

Same with my laptop, the lack of a dedicated graphics card is what is bringing the score down.

Are you running x64 version of the OS? If not, then you are not seeing all 4GB of ram.

Actually, any 32bit version of Vista can handle 4gb, it can only handle more than that when using 64bit.

Memory specifications

All editions of Windows Vista 64-bit provide increased memory support beyond the standard 4 gigabytes (GB) available with 32-bit editions. Refer to the specific edition of Windows Vista 64-bit to determine maximum memory capacity. --http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/64bit.mspx

Phoon on Upgrading existing hardware

Phoon — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Starkers,
Are you running x64 version of the OS? If not, then you are not seeing all 4GB of ram.

I use 4GB because I use VMWare quite heavily and need that extra ram to run multiple VM's.

kona0197 on Upgrading existing hardware

kona0197 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Starkers: I added up how much your upgrades would cost from Ebay. $467 dollars. Not much of a savings I guess.

I still fail to see why you need that much power.

Oh and by the way the only reason I have a 3.2 score is because of my video. My score would be a high 4 or low 5 should I invest in a good card.

starkers on Upgrading existing hardware

starkers — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Starkers - Why the heck do you need 4 gigs of RAM?

Cos I don't like empty DIMM slots!

Seriously, 4 gigs of RAM, accompanied by a 3,4ghz dual core powers Vista along more than adequately, so I can multi-task with ease. Can you... with a Vista experience in the low 3's, as I recall?? 3.2, wasn't it?

Bebi - running just fine as in running just fine not barely making it.

Now would that be just fine in XP? Cos I doubt very much that you'd be zipping along in Vista with that low a WEI score....so unless your rig is powered by Speedy Gonzales on an exercise bike, I find it incredible that you can boot Vista in 35 - 40 seconds.

As for being ripped off...FAR from it. I may have overspent a little, being that it wasn't exactly allocated for in our budget, but I'm totally satisfied with my choices/purchases, and I doubt that you'd get the exact same components for much less than US$530.00 brand new.

That's quite inexpensive for a rig with 3.4ghz CPU, 4gigs of RAM, a nVidia 8600GT GPU and twin DVD RAM drives. Sorry, make that AU$1200.00 (US$1100) when you add what was already in it: a Soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme Fatality Pro with remote and front inputs/output; 5.1 Logitech speaker system; Winfast TV tuner card; memory card reader; Linskys Wi.fi card; 4 HDD's and enough fans to whip up a cyclone.

Oh, and I got $200 for my old 939 socket AMD Athlon x2 4600... the bloke offered that much due to its unavailability, thus saving him a more expensive upgrade... so in effect, my out of pocket cost at the time was $379.00. Nope, don't need to take a Valium over that.

DigitalCHET on Upgrading existing hardware

DigitalCHET — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

I've never had any problems buying from eBay... except where I myself have made a mistake purchasing a wrong item or some such.
You've just gotta keep your wits about you and take care who you buy from.

Bebi Bulma on Upgrading existing hardware

Bebi Bulma — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

There's no way I'd buy computer parts on ebay. I TRUST newegg, ebay can't give me that kind of assurance and I'm willing to pay more to newegg to get it.

kona0197 on Upgrading existing hardware

kona0197 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

My point is that a 40 dollar part on Newegg could be had on Ebay for half that. And yes the parts I get on Ebay are new in sealed plastic as well.

You could have saved money...

Bebi Bulma on Upgrading existing hardware

Bebi Bulma — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

God no, only Newegg for me. I did my research for months before finally ordering the parts and I am quite happy with my machine. I worked for the money, I got what I wanted, I have no problems with it.

kona0197 on Upgrading existing hardware

kona0197 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Bebi - running just fine as in running just fine not barely making it.

I've already proven in the past that you do not need to spend alot of money to get great performance.

I stick by my statement. He got ripped off. On top of that I think you either overspent or got ripped off as well.

You didn't use Ebay did you?

MetalHellssAngel on Upgrading existing hardware

MetalHellssAngel — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Speaking of computers anyone seen that rig that pcworld is giving away WWW Link? I mean I wouldn't complain if I won it but I think in some cases some of the stuff they bought and put into it was bought just because of how expensive it was and not necessarily because it was good stuff.

Bebi Bulma on Upgrading existing hardware

Bebi Bulma — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Heck I could build 2 machines that would run Vista just fine with the price you paid for your upgrades.I think you may have got ripped off.

There is a difference between running "just fine" (aka just barely making it) and then having real actual performance. Doesn't sound like he got ripped off to me. I spent more than that on upgrading (ok..total rebuild) my XP machine [specs here]. Must have spent about $800 (not including the $500 on the monitor).

kona0197 on Upgrading existing hardware

kona0197 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Starkers - Why the heck do you need 4 gigs of RAM?

By the way I got you beat. 35 to 40 seconds to boot. And the topper is that my machine has less hardware than yours.

Heck I could build 2 machines that would run Vista just fine with the price you paid for your upgrades.

I think you may have got ripped off.

starkers on Upgrading existing hardware

starkers — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

all told, I might have spent about $650 to upgrade my PC to MY standards, not some faceless company's......

Well I spent less than that in Oz dollars to upgrade my PC to MY standards & greater Vista compatibility with an AMD Athlon x2 6400 AM2 Black Edition @ 3.4ghz, a Gigabyte GA-MA770-DS3 mobo, 4gigs of Corsair DDR2 800 RAM, 2 SATA DVD RAM drives and a Galaxy GeForce 8600GT @ 256mb.

All up it cost me AU$579.00 (US$530.00) and Vista totally flies on it.... 52 seconds from button push to desktop usability, whereas XP Pro on the same rig (dual boot) takes 1 minute 16 seconds. However, so as hopefully not to start a Vista vs XP flame-fest here, I am not pro-Vista anti-XP. I use and enjoy both OSes....each plays an important part of my puter experience. Also, I am in the process of building a dedicated XP Home machine which I'll use as a backup and gaming rig.

I probably wouldn't have bothered upgrading, being my setup wasn't that old, but my 939 socket mobo developed a fault, meaning an upgrade of the CPU and RAM because 939 + DDR1 is no longer available in Oz.... and being I already had Vista, it made no sense to go half-measure with an under-powered machine.

Screw Vista.

I did.... screwed it into my rig and it ain't coming out!!!! Put super glue on the screws and filed the heads down.

Chasbo on Upgrading existing hardware

Chasbo — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

My solution. Screw Vista.

killajosh on Upgrading existing hardware

killajosh — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Oh, and as for Vista vs XP...Microsoft is continuing primary support for XP until next year. Secondary support until 2014. So XP will be good for awhile. I love XP (but I'm getting Vista Ultimate from MS for free...).

killajosh on Upgrading existing hardware

killajosh — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Leo, you're absolutely right. I got an LG DVD-RW for about $75 brand new. My nVidia 8500GT 512mb was bought on sale for $129.99, and I bought 2 1gb ram sticks for less than $100. My Pentium 4 3.4gHz processor I bought from the local PC store for $150 new (they were having a sale). 2 internal HDD and one external. And a 750w power supply for $100.

all told, I might have spent about $650 to upgrade my PC to MY standards, not some faceless company's......

Leo the Lion on Upgrading existing hardware

Leo the Lion — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

My XP desktop was the same age and I've spent 300 bucks over the last six months upgrading the processor, ram, graphics card and dvd-rw drive plus a new keyboard and mouse. All courtesy of careful buying on eBay, Newegg.com and Bestbuy. Add in a couple of good utility progs like TuneUp and PerfectDisk and it's a 'flying machine'.I think you hit the nail on the head. Right now there's no overwhelming reason for a casual home type PC user to switch to Vista and with the cost of XP hardware being cheap it's a good time to upgrade and have a high performance XP machine for a few hundred dollars. Doing your homework and knowing your PC and applications is the key. For me it was graphics card and memory upgrades to improve performance and these required a new power supply since I only had a 250W PS. And, you're right my rig is a flying XP machine that runs the software I use better than ever.

Spot on, plus if you shop around you can pick up some real bargains - I picked up a brand new HP DVD-RW with lightscribe and a 1GB of ram on newegg.com a couple of weeks ago for 70 bucks. That's crazy money

kona0197 on Upgrading existing hardware

kona0197 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

A GD MB hard drive? What's that?

Leo the Lion on Upgrading existing hardware

Leo the Lion — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

A good way to go and wise move BDBF

My XP desktop was the same age and I've spent 300 bucks over the last six months upgrading the processor, ram, graphics card and dvd-rw drive plus a new keyboard and mouse. All courtesy of careful buying on eBay, Newegg.com and Bestbuy. Add in a couple of good utility progs like TuneUp and PerfectDisk and it's a 'flying machine'.

Faster than anything I've tried that has Vista on it with better hardware.

kona0197 on Upgrading existing hardware

kona0197 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

200 MB hard drive? How did you get Windows running?

zakai1369 on Upgrading existing hardware

zakai1369 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

It certainly seems like a good time to upgrade XP based machines and wait another year to see what a good performing Vista PC looks like.

Agreed.

Added an extra gb of ram to mine in december along with a new video card. The video card ended up not working correctly so after spending a couple days trying to get things straightened out I ended up returning it. But its basic purpose was to add a second monitor.
Looking now for a larger monitor instead and thinking about getting another backup hd.

fontinalis on Upgrading existing hardware

fontinalis — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

I upgraded my two Dell Inspiron laptops with 2gb (max) ram, and Seagate 100gb, 7200rmp internal hdds. The fast internal hds really made a difference in application performance, speed and startup time, more so than the ram.

Also, I think Seabass put up a link some time ago in a post about updating drivers and doing a driver scan at Driver Agent. I always have my drivers for all my hw up to date, including bios. I primarily use Dell OEM rivers from their site.

Well, after driver agent said some of my chipset drivers were bad, I went to the Intel site and updated my chipset drivers (also includes hdd controler on inspirons) with the Intel chipset drivers, rather than the Dell OEM drivers I had been using.

Hallelujah! Even more speed now. BTW, I didn't buy driver agent. I just used their free scan as a tool to check my drivers, then went driver hunting on my own.

Po' Smedley on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

Po' Smedley — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

I finally got around to installing SDC. It asked if I wanted to update IP. I did, with the beta. Lost msconfig, defrag, snag-it. It was IconPackager 3.99.[b].047. I immediately uninstalled it and everything went back to normal.

I hope they fix this before it comes out for release. This is the first and only time I have ever had a problem with any SD software or beta's for that matter.

Philly0381 on Upgrading existing hardware

Philly0381 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

A very logical approach from where I sit.

I suppose some folks may say "yea but you could of put that money towards a totally new system with Vista. We all make our choices based upon our immediate needs, or at least that's what we should be doing.

Daiwa on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

Daiwa — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Only fly in that ointment is that IP 3.20 is on one of the affected rigs and 3.11 on another; neither have seen any higher versions & neither have seen Impulse.

Daiwa on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

Daiwa — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

I'm wondering if this isn't a bug in the OS. I recall now I had exactly the same problem with MSPaint on a prior Win2k machine. I'd click on Paint's icon multiple times but no UI would appear, and I'd find multiple instances of mspaint.exe running in TaskManager. That was my then-current WB development rig and I abandoned MSPaint as my .bmp editor at the time for that reason. I hunted around on a few of the MS tech forums at the time & found others having a similar problem but I never came across a solution or fix. I realize SD apps were installed, but that was a long time ago, in an OS far far away.

Shelbygt_the_Car~! on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

Shelbygt_the_Car~! — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Thank you Kris Wilas for helping me out!
Now I can persue my work again this evening as planned.

SGT

kona0197 on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

kona0197 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Yrag - good thing you don't do Linux troubleshooting. You probably would pull your hair out!

HG_Eliminator on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

HG_Eliminator — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

IP4 was an alpha. It is the only application I removed after I noticed I couldnt run MSconfig,Ms paint or defragmentor. I still have Impulse ,and WB installed but I never installed the one in impulse. Now that I have removed IP4 alpha everythings fine.

I downloaded it knowing the risks and took a chance, fortunately I lucked out in resolving it.

Shelbygt_the_Car~! on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

Shelbygt_the_Car~! — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

Well no more problems here except I ran out of activations ...

Someone get me reset so I can get my new partition finished for the final SP1 release.

Thank you... heelllp.....!!!!!!!!!

SGT

vStyler on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

vStyler — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

one of mine is.. There's no excuse for ignorance.. I didn't even know it was a beta.

Zubaz on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

Zubaz — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

One of my favorite quotes:
"Nothing on earth is forcing you to install the beta versions. It can get rough on the bleeding edge. " -- Kris Kwilas, 'Essays on Mind and Matter'

vStyler on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

vStyler — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

I don't reallly blame em either.. It's good that its been sorted out to some extent tho.

Nimbin on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

Nimbin — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

i restored IP to the latest stable version, everything is back to normal again, no reformatting needed. I don't blame stardock for this what so ever as i chose to install the 3.90 IP beta and this is sometimes what happens with beta software. I'll just wait now until
the stable release is up and running.

vStyler on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

vStyler — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

You didn't have to give up twice my friend

Maybe the Stardockians can work on the forums while their working on this.. get it all working, Forums have been dodgy all weekend.

Zubaz on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

Zubaz — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

/me smiles . .but with little joy.

yrag on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

yrag — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

I didn't have ID installed

doh!!!!

Well, this will make Zubazski happy........

I give up.

yrag on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

yrag — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

I didn't have ID installed

doh!!!!

Well, this will make Zubazski happy........

I give up.

vStyler on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

vStyler — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

lol.. yeah I just love problem solving..

For what it's worth.. I didn't have ID installed.. just IP.

yrag on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

yrag — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

(my wife's rig - she gets twitchy when I touch it

What are we talking about here?

I, for one, completely overlooked Icon Developer. The time frame is 'right' and it's associated with IP. I'm having no problems on any of my machines (even the ones I tried to replicate the problem on), but I just noticed (for whatever reason) I didn't install the newest ID (Freudian maybe). I still don't know why or where this Vista file reference is coming from...oye. I'd install new ID, but it's almost Monday.....let the Stardockian brain trust figure it out. Maybe while they're at it, they'll replenish the hamster herd in the server cage.

All and all...it's been a real fuckin' hoot (more for some then others, hey John?).

vStyler on Where oh where is my msconfig.exe?

vStyler — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:30 -0400

(my wife's rig - she gets twitchy when I touch it

What are we talking about here?

Well, perhaps someone at SD can elighten us on monday..?

werewolf.. do u have IP installed?